Trees Equestrian perspective

NOGOE (No to Greenwich Olympic Equestrian Events) is a community action group whose members believe Greenwich Park is not a suitable venue for the 2012 Olympic equestrian events. We are extremely worried about the impact the Olympics will have on the Park and the local community. We also believe the Park will not provide a satisfactory experience for the competitors and spectators, so we are campaigning for the equestrian events to be moved to a more suitable venue.

CAMPAIGN UPDATE

15 November 2011 - C*ck-up, conspiracy or karma? You decide

Compare and contrast (our highlighting). From the Royal Parks own 2010 Guidelines for Event Organisers:

[Greenwich Park capacity is about 15,000]

And, from Section 2 of LOCOG's Transport Plan, part of their current application to Greenwich Council for discharge of conditions (11/2604/SD).

[LOCOG Transport Plan section 2.1.2 says they have sold 50,000 cross-country day tickets - that is probably four times more than can be admitted safely to the Park]

Who is going to tell the Prime Minister? "The good news, sir, is that we have thrown away only £60 million. The bad news is that NOGOE were right all along ..."

25 October 2011 - Greenwich Council Licensing Committee grant licence to Applicant who does not know what the maximum safe capacity of Greenwich Park is

You couldn't make it up. To recap: in 2006, the maximum number of people to be in the Park at any one time, under a premises licence granted to The Royal Parks for showing films (no alcohol to be sold), was 19,999. In 2012, there will be much less standing room in the Park than there was in 2006 or since (in normal times), because of all the Olympic stuff: stadium, stabling for 200-300 horses, broadcasting compound, loos, cabling, jumps, hospitality tents etc etc. Seems obvious, then, that the maximum safe number during the Olympics will be less than 19,999.

In reply to a Freedom of Information request (RFI/03626, submitted in early October 2011), Greenwich Council said that "It is therefore the responsibility of the organiser of the event, LOCOG, to calculate how many people can be safely accommodated in Greenwich Park on cross country day ". Yet when, during that part of the Licensing Committee of 19 October 2011 that was held in public, LOCOG representatives were asked to clarify what the maximum safe capacity of the Park is, LOCOG's venue manager, Jeremy Edwards, remained silent. Sitting next to Jeremy Edwards was LOCOG's solicitor, Mr Phipps, who told the Licensing Committee to "Ask the Fire Brigade".

So at the time of the hearing of their licensing application, LOCOG had not calculated how many people can be safely accommodated in Greenwich Park on cross-country day. As there is no sign of the Council "asking the Fire Brigade", either, we have done so, as a Freedom of Information request.

22 October 2011 - Tree 660 - a mature Fraxinus Excelsior "Diversifolia" a cultivar of the European Ash

In 2010, LOCOG said that they would have to "prune" only 72 trees. In 2011, LOCOG said they must "prune" a further 219 trees "for access". The Labour councillors on the benighted Planning Board gave them permission to do so; so, instead of "prune back low peripheral limbs by 1.5m on southern aspect" (February 2010 tree schedule, and 1.5m is less than shoulder-height on a man), LOCOG has cut 13 limbs altogether (8 of them large) off this mature Fraxinus Excelsior "Diversifolia". At the top of this page, you can see what LOCOG means by "prune". Click on the image to see a larger version. This type of tree can live for 250 years but, thanks to LOCOG, this one is unlikely to do so. All for the same of ONE DAY's cross-country event.

21 October 2011 - Still waiting for decisions made by Licensing Committee (19 October 2011) to be put into the public domain

The most astonishing moment of the first part of the meeting, held in public, was when LOCOG - the Applicant for this new Premises Licence - was asked to clarify how many people can safely be accommodated in Greenwich Park at any one time,

  • LOCOG's venue manager for Greenwich Park, Jeremy Edwards (with 12 years experience of organising international and Olympic events) remained silent;
  • LOCOG's solicitor, Mr Phipps, told the Licensing Committee to "ask the fire brigade".

So there you have it. No other applicant for a premises licence would get any further, if they (the applicant) had no idea how many could be safely accommodated within the venue that was the subject of the licence application. But, clearly, LOCOG feels that they can bring 69,000 people into Greenwich Park without having to assume first the responsibility for demonstrating what the safe capacity of the Park is.

18 October 2011 - Will LOCOG tell us tomorrow if they have sold too many tickets to the 2012 equestrian events?

Although the area of Greenwich Park overall is 183 acres, much less than 183 acres is actually available to use during the Olympics, what with everything else that LOCOG has tried to squeeze into it: a 23,000-seat stadium, stabling for 300 horses, training areas, horse ambulances, hospitality marquees, pantechnicons of the world's media, tv rostrum cameras, portaloos for thousands of people, access kept clear for emergency vehicles, etc, etc, and ensure a safety margin is kept clear of spectators along both sides of the cross-country track.

Earlier this month, LOCOG was saying that it was going to ask Greenwich Council if it could sell more tickets for the 2012 equestrian event (LOCOG says they have already sold 50,000). Reuters reported that the maximum capacity for the cross-country event is 75,000. It isn't. The maximimum number that Greenwich Park can safely accommodate at any one time is 17,500 ... or maybe 24,999. Or far, far fewer than that.

The Greenwich Council Licensing Committee meets tomorrow Wednesday evening 19 October 2011 to consider LOCOG's Premises License Application (reference WK/2011/10519). Among other things, we may learn what really is the maximum number of people that can safely be accommodated in Greenwich Park. In response to a Freedom of Information request, Greenwich Council placed the responsibility for calculating the safe capacity of the Park firmly on LOCOG. What will it be? The spectrum of possibilities is crazy.

  • 2006: 17,500 or 19,999 (at the time of the only other entertainment licence)
  • 2011: 23,000 (LOCOG's Travel Advice for Business Area: Greenwich)
  • 2011: 24,999 (according to the Westcombe Society which assumes that all normal exits will be open, which will not be the case in 2012)
  • 2011: 65,000 (LOCOG's operating statement)
  • 2011: 690,000 (figure stated on LOCOG's premises licensing application form) - incidentally, this is equivalent to the population of Memphis, Tennessee, USA.

Perhaps the last figure is meant to be 69,000 (65,000 members of the public and 4,000 staff etc) but that is still a terrifying figure, when you remember that there will be only two exits - through three layers of security fencing, past jumps and stores and massive world media pantechnicons (with their fuel tanks).

picture of rocking horse and little flame

Some Greenwich residents are already assessing the fire risk. The Royal Parks licensing application of 2006 did not include alcohol. LOCOG's application does. Does LOCOG's "crowd modelling" (if any) feature the idiot who, having been forced to arrive at 7.00am, has been drinking since 10.00am and then fancies a crafty fag behind the haybales ... in the tinder-dry Park (in the event that there is little rain during the weeks prior to the Olympics) with all LOCOG's generators, fuel tanks, catering ovens, electrical cabling, combustible material - and full of 25,000 or 69,000 people who will then scramble to get out, as the fire brigade tenders are trying to get in. Once a fire starts, there may be only a few minutes - less than 10 - to evacuate everyone to safety; and LOCOG is not going to be able to stage any fire drills beforehand with 50,000 real people to practise on.

The VIPs - royalty, diplomats, the IOC, IEF, BEF, friends of Boris and Seb - will be alright: the security services must save them, no matter what. Who will be saved next, do you think - the competitors' million-pound horses, or the punters and kitchen staff? Hmmmn.

14 October 2011 - Shooters Hill

NOGOE is about Saving Greenwich Park so is not actually involved with the huge tide of grassroots opposition to Greenwich Council's highly controversial application (11/1765/F) to itself for permission to develop Metropolitan Open Land (MOL) at 341 Shooters Hill but, as the local bloggers are determined to think we are, this is by way of a contribution to the debate.

The scope for using Metropolitan Open Land for development is highly restricted. The presumption is against any use except in very exceptional circumstances. Building a riding school for the local community on it - when (a) there are already three other riding schools in the Borough and (b) there is land available for use on the Greenwich Peninsula which would not result in the people of the Borough losing valuable green open space - is not exceptional enough to justify what is proposed. So far, the Council has failed to explain how it would balance the harm caused by the development against the supposed benefit. Handing Hadlow College a £1.6 million equestrian facility to run could be in breach of EU law on competitive tendering, and giving them this role is not a "very special circumstance": if a standalone application to develop the enhanced facilities for use by Hadlow College had been made, it would have been refused on MOL grounds.

The proposed development amounts to a seven-fold increase in the buildings "footprint" on this site, much larger than what is built on the site at present ("a building used as a day centre for adults with learning difficulties"). That alone is grounds for refusal of the application because of a High Court/Court of Appeal decision that overturned planning consent because the development was larger than what was there before:

R (on the application of Heath and Hampstead Society) v Camden London Borough Council [2007] EWHC 977 (Admin)

upheld by the Court of Appeal

The Queen on the application of Heath & Hampstead Society and Alex & Thalis Vlachos and London Borough of Camden [2008] EWCA Civ 193.

So, all the circumstances considered, Greenwich Council is exposing itself to an application for judicial review.

It is worth pointing out also that the Leader of the Council is a member of the Greenwich Council planning board and that he has again. and wholly improperly, pre-empted the planning board decision - just as he did with the original proposal to use Greenwich Park as the 2012 venue - here he is quoted in Horse & Hound, 23 August 2011: "Cllr Chris Roberts, leader of Greenwich Council, said: 'This will introduce thousands of London children to the thrill of horse riding and provide future educational opportunities.'"

Update: Two comments on the 853 blog from members of the public who made representations at the Planning Board -

The new skills centre will not be an Olympic Legacy as the Olympics will not be using it nor are they giving any money to it. It is a college actually a university that will have 600-1000 students that will be paying £9000 a year to attend now tell me who the hell will be able to use it, who in Greenwich will benefit from it? Children? No! Hadlow College have facilities only for 16+. Maybe people with disabilities? No! Because they have no facilities to be able to have people with disabilities plus there will only be two disabled car parking bays. What about people who have never seen a horse, low income families? Yeah right ...No! Again who will benefit from this venture? I will tell you Greenwich Council and Hadlow College. Well done Greenwich Council!

Has anyone spared a thought for the donkey guy, he has had donkeys on this land for 30 odd years. It seemed Greenwich Council were ok all the time he was renting the land. He has had donkey rides on Blackheath for 64 years and Greenwich Council said that he has to go. However, where is he to go?

Again Greenwich Council consulted 199 people and out of those were all from Bexley. No on in Greenwich was consulted. (Toni Hale, 14 October, 2011 at 8:02)
Residents should know that this project is a commercial project for Hadlow College, an Agricultural Training College based near Tonbridge in Kent, and Greenwich Council; what it is not is a Post Olympic legacy in the form of a riding establishment for the residents of Greenwich across all age groups and including disabiltiy to learn horsemanship and how to ride, the riding at the College will be for Hadlow College Students age 16+ and one wonders how many of Greenwich applicants if any, would make it through the College selection process. ...

A equestrian student was killed at Hadlow College over two weeks ago but I expect the response to this would be "accidents happen",in my presentation I brought to attention the fact that fifty years ago a horse had been spooked by children letting of bangers in the woods the rider was thrown but survived her horse was killed on the hill, will this form of activity become sport for local yobs as an alternative to riding motorbikes?

The footprint for this project is huge and the elevations of seventeen metres for some of the buildings will change for ever the wonderful view from Eaglesfield across open fields and farm land. (Liz McDermott, 15 October, 2011 at 11:07 am)

So who's right - Cllr Roberts or the residents?

14 September 2011 - Consultation about The Royal Parks

[Are Royal Parks meeting your needs - environmentcommittee at london.gov.uk]

The London Assembly Environment Committee would like to hear what you think should be the priorities for The Royal Parks and how they can meet the needs of local people.

E-mail environmentcommittee@london.gov.uk, or telephone 020 7983 4510, or write to: London Assembly Environment Committee, PP10, FREEPOST LON 15799, city Hall, The Queen's Walk, London SE1 2BR. This will be discussed at a public meeting on 12 October 2011.

3 August 2011 - Another LOCOG Myth About to Explode - Could This Be the "Iconic Greenwich Park View" that LOCOG's sponsors are expecting to see - and are paying for?

[So much for the iconic view]

Click on image to see larger version - this computer simulation of the view from the Wolfe statue was created by Greenwich Landscape Artists to reveal to Olympic sponsors what they are actually paying for, and so far no one has challenged it. This image is as accurate as it can be since it was done putting together information from LOCOG's own plans and elevations. From these it is possible to work out the line of sight from the James Wolfe Statue over the arena to the Queens House and Old Royal Naval College. An inclinometer was used to check LOCOG's drawings. The actual arena may turn out to be even larger, because they have to fit in 23,000 people into the structure they have drawn. (Charlton Athletic's football stadium down the road accommodates 27,000).

7 July 2011 - Three Fantastic Days of the NOGOE Protest at the Test Event

We are ecstatic about the popular support for and the media attention to our protests held on all three days of the Test Event. Al Jazeera, ESPN Brasilia, Fox Sports Australia, Canadian tv, French tv, NZ tv all took the opportunity to include film footage of this example of the fine English tradition of street protests in their coverage of the Test Events in Greenwich. Woolwich Hospital Radio, and some UK national and local media channels also filmed our placards and interviewed Sev and some of our supporters. For a small community group, with no budget, the coverage that NOGOE received was remarkable.

[Olympian and all round good sport, Piggy French, with the placard]

The third day ended on an unexpected "high" for NOGOE when the equestrian Piggy French herself came down at 5.30pm to the protest line, fresh from being presented with the First Prize, to collect the placard that said "Go, Piggy, go". We wished her well - at Windsor - and, when we refused her offer to pay for the placard, she signed and gave us her Team GB cap and posed for photographs

[Piggy French autograph on her Team GB cap]

So thank you to everyone to came to the protest, even if you could manage only a few minutes on your way to work; everyone who made placards or came up with brilliant ideas for placards, who stored our placards between protest sessions, handed out leaflets, or who took photographs for the NOGOE Flickr page. Thank you, too, to the Olympics division of the Met for their adroit, light-touch policing, enabling us to exercise our right to freedom of expression.

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